Smokin-It User Forum!
Accessories => Gadgets and Gizmos => Topic started by: TmanEater on October 19, 2015, 06:46:27 PM
-
Check this project out. It has me VERY intrigued. I'm sitting here thinking "take my money, I want one".
https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1977846026/meater-the-first-truly-wireless-smart-meat-thermom?ref=fundedtoday#project_faq_148569
-
Want...one...now! So do a lot of other people considering the success of their crowd-funding campaign. $100,000 goal, and now up to nearly $1 million. Thanks for posting!!
I have looked into an iGrill, but iGrill has a couple issues for me:
1) Accuracy of the probes is not good.
2) Bluetooth connection is unreliable, even within short distances.
Sounds like the Meater is using high quality probes, but is bluetooth, unless you buy the block. The ability to use your home WiFi network is huge for me. I really love the idea of graphing your temps over the entire cook. But have not been sold on the iGrill. Thinking seriously about funding this, to get an early release. These guys are going to be RICH!
-
Alright I am really impressed what I see with the Meater. I even considered jumping in and spending the money. But my real concern is with our smokers being stainless and really well constructed the ability of the bluetooth working with them.
For now I will wait, it sounds like these babies should start showing up in the next 3 months.
Greg
-
I funded... at the level where I get the 4 probes and block, which uses your own WiFi network. I am a sucker for this kind of stuff. Hopefully January delivery. I'm either an idiot or a genius for jumping on it. Indoor ovens are also heavy steel and well insulated, so if it is designed to work with those, seems it should probably also work with the SI.
-
I may still op in to buy a set but first plan to do a test.
First I will pair my headset with my cell phone and then place the phone in the smoker and close the door.
It should be interesting to see what kind or range I do or don't get. I am out of town until Friday, so I will post my results then.
Greg
-
Good plan. In their FAQ section, they address this issue (Faraday Cages). Below is the Q & A, but you are totally right to be concerned. Our SI's are much better sealed than other smokers and grills.
Q: Aren't BBQ grills, smokers, and ovens essentially "Faraday Cages" that would significantly reduce the wireless range of the MEATER probe?
In theory, a "Faraday Cage" will block RF signals from entering and exiting the cage. The good news is that BBQ grills, smokers, and ovens are not built or designed to be "Faraday Cages."
A good "Faraday Cage" has no gaps, slots, and holes; Are usually made of thick conductive material and designed with as little individual parts/pieces as possible (i.e. every joining edge or corner between materials are spot welded, etc.).
In reality BBQ grills, smokers, and ovens are anything but a "Faraday Cage." They have plenty of large air vents and gaps. If air and smoke can enter or exit your BBQ grill, smoker, and oven, then it'll be easy for 2.4GHz radio frequency to enter and exit through the same gaps and holes.
Also, there are a few MEATER backers in the comments section who did their own testing using a Bluetooth speaker to test the effect of their BBQ grill on Bluetooth signal range. They too have found that it made no noticeable difference
-
Funded for two probes and the wifi block. Not too worried about the signal blockage...the smoke hole will all the signal out as will the door...all that built up smoke on the edges prevents a good electrical signal seal.
-
Yep, I backed this one as soon as I saw it...4 probes and a block. It sounds great if it works as advertised.
-
Funded for the 4 probe/block.
I absolutely love the concept. Both internal and ambient temps from one probe is genius!
I hope they can deliver on the concept. :D
-
I'll keep my fingers crossed for you all. ;)
-
I funded for a block and 4 probes about 5 minutes after I posted this link! ;)
I'm a sucker for this kind of tech as well and the wireless freedom really opens the door to "revolutionary" in this arena. I still love my HeaterMeter (doing some PID tuning and script optimization lately if folks are interested - http://bbq.tonylyne.com (http://bbq.tonylyne.com)) but if this "Meater" pans out I might have a hard time figuring out what to use when.
-
Wow, over a million dollars pledged so far!
I wish I had it for this weekend. We are going to be smoking 75lbs of venison snack sticks (finishing up processing from our 2014 hunt) and use two smokers to run 25lb batches at a time. This would allow me to monitor the smoker and internal temps from both smokers at the same time from the same device!
-
They just notified backers that they are now the #1 project on Kickstarter. Obvious that this is something people find exciting.
-
Came after my money today...long wait till it ships in January!
-
With all of the stretch goal features they have to add, and the large number of product they need to manufacture just for backers (preorders are also possible now), I will be surprised if we receive them in January. I'm going to guess it might be February.
-
I'm an avid kickstarter backer... about a dozen projects at this point. Of those, only one has been an utter disappointment when I received it. I'm still waiting on several projects from almost 2 years ago though. They all seem to hit problems along production. Especially when they far exceed their projections.
I have gotten some great stuff through Kickstarter though. For instance:
My Belt is from Kickstarter: https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/klikbelts/klik-belts-upgrade-your-belt
I got an awesome water repellent fabric softener: https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/2044033654/sofft-super-hero-of-fabric-softeners-blocks-stains
My absolute favorite hot sauce and spicy pickles...(I've order a LOT from him since the kickstarter) https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/329062845/organic-bhut-jolokia-ghost-pepper-hot-sauce-and-pi
A fun 3-D printing pen: https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1351910088/3doodler-the-worlds-first-3d-printing-pen
An entirely new type of deck/drywall screw: https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/outlawfasteners/screwing-reinvented-the-worlds-best-deck-screw
But then there were the not so great ones.....
Cat Toy - Over a year late... still got nothing: https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1046165765/egg-the-intelligent-cat-companion
This piece of garbage: https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/817146541/boss-a-titanium-mutli-tool-that-puts-you-in-charge The only thing it actually does well is open bottles. Nothing else is as advertised. The hex spots are neither metric nor SAE. The "screwdriver" is way too wide to fit in the head of any screw known to man. Even the keychain slot is too thin to fit a dang keychain loop in it.
Counter-top kegerator : https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1620669801/synek-any-beer-ever-made-fresh-on-your-counter was due in June. Haven't seen anything yet. They added $55 in shipping after the fact. The very few that have received their unit are reporting that it doesn't come with fill hoses for the bags, regulators break, no-one can fill them...
So... it's a mixed bag. But I have fun being part of the process. When I backed the Meater, I also backed a kitchen knife Kickstarter that promises to be a better quality, but cheaper option for kitchen knives... Don't get me wrong, I love my Wustoff's, but I have to sharpen the damn things all of the time, and in sharpening, am noticing a lot of defects in the blades.
-
I also backed a kitchen knife Kickstarter that promises to be a better quality, but cheaper option for kitchen knives... Don't get me wrong, I love my Wustoff's, but I have to sharpen the damn things all of the time, and in sharpening, am noticing a lot of defects in the blades.
I thought about funding the Misen knife, but couldn't get excited about the handle colors. I think it will be a winner though. I probably have way too many fancy knives.
-
I also backed a kitchen knife Kickstarter that promises to be a better quality, but cheaper option for kitchen knives... Don't get me wrong, I love my Wustoff's, but I have to sharpen the damn things all of the time, and in sharpening, am noticing a lot of defects in the blades.
I thought about funding the Misen knife, but couldn't get excited about the handle colors. I think it will be a winner though. I probably have way too many fancy knives.
I also have Wustoff's knifes, but these look really interesting. I have not done a kickstarter before, can I still get in on the price for the knives ?
Greg
-
Don't see a pre-order opportunity now that funding is over. Maybe you could contact them through Kickstarter personal message.
-
Don't see a pre-order opportunity now that funding is over. Maybe you could contact them through Kickstarter personal message.
I checked their website and it looks like once they start shipping they will only be $5.00 more.
Greg
-
Are these in anyone's hands yet? Opinions? Reviews?
-
Not yet. No firm date on when the first pre-orders will ship, but it won't be in January for sure.
-
Looks like we now have a new estimated date of June/July. Hopefully this date sticks! :)
Note from the Apption Lab team
--------------------
Behold: The fully assembled MEATER Probe!
Gorgeous hand model and assembled MEATER Probe!
We received the new ceramic handles last week and have begun evaluating the mechanical assembly. Our test results are looking fantabulous so far proving that our latest mechanical design is robust. There are still plenty of tests to go through and we will keep hammering at it (figuratively)!
Torque results: 20kg-F/cm (44lbs.-F/cm) on the handle. What does this mean? Super strong assembly!
In parallel, we’ve continued our hardware/electrical validation of the newly designed probe PCB including BLE antenna performance. The results so far are what we calculated, giving us more confidence in the current design. We would like to show you more of how we assemble and validate the product but would like to err on the side of caution to ensure our design and processes remain a trade secret until the product is actually shipping.
Once we finish validation (mechanical and electrical), we will begin the CE and FCC certification process =)
We are now producing 10x more units than we originally planned and certain processes needed to change in order to accommodate the increased volume. The changes have added delays but at the same time, the volume gave us leverage with vendors to improve the components and design of MEATER. With that said, we estimate the delivery world-wide to be in the June/July time frame.
Thank you for hanging in there, we appreciate your patience very much! We have been working “sleepless” nights to make sure MEATER “meats” your expectations. We’ve set the bar very high because we are doing something that has never been done before, and of course, we will never sacrifice quality for haste. In order to do that, we are not cutting any corners and believe, despite delays so far, that it will be well worth it. Thank you again for your love and support!
-
Ordered one last night, looks like a nice item!
Carl
-
Haven't ordered yet, but I plan to get one of these when they're up and running. Great concept!
-
I was disappointed with this latest pushback on the delivery date...beginning to wonder IF they're ever going to ship.
-
I am still cautiously optimistic.
We just got the following update today:
Wood you care for an update?
MEATER Block – from hundreds to thousands. We cannot say it enough times, but our backers have really propelled us to the big leagues =) We’ve now been able to receive attention from numerous suppliers to get the best materials, prices, and production priority. We’re currently reviewing samples and negotiating with our suppliers to ensure the highest quality product. Here’s a glance at different MEATER Block samples:
On the hardware/software front, our Bluetooth chip is now communicating with the MEATER app. It’s looking good so far and we hope to show you a sneak peak of the MEATER app and probe together soon.
In other news, we have begun talks with a certification lab and received the costs involved to get MEATER tested for safety (e.g. CE, FCC, RoHS, etc.). We look forward to beginning the test process soon.
In the meantime, hang back, learn another BBQ technique, and in no time, it’ll be closer to MEATER delivery. Thank you again for your support!
Catch you on the seared flip side,
Joseph, Teemu and the Apption Labs Team
-
I'm looking forward to see you guys review these once received. Looks like a great product if it works as advertised.
-
Anyone get one of these yet?
-
Latest estimate for first shipment is late July/August.
-
The latest update:
Update #26
May 10 2016
26 | The Meatrix
National BBQ and Burger Month
Happy National BBQ and burger month to the grillers, roasters, smokers, and all food-fanatics out there! Eat well and post all your food porn pics! #BBQ #happybelly #foodlife Is it a coincidence the hash tag looks like grill marks? We think not.
Production Update
We’ve been very busy bees! Over the past 3 weeks, during our visit with our supplier in Taiwan, we finalized the pilot production plans, ordered the parts from our vendors, built production test rigs and jigs, and reviewed packaging samples. With that said, we have officially begun the Pilot Production phase!
We expect to receive all the pieces early June and begin assembly immediately after. Since pilot production units represent the final version of MEATER, they will go through our engineering and test case gauntlet again, including cases inspired by our backers. When the results of those tests go well, we will move quickly into mass production. Our shipping estimate is now closer to late July/early August so don’t pack up your BBQ too early this summer. But if you’re grill heads like us, BBQ season is all year round.
The android and iOS apps are both +91.438% complete with the majority of the work left for debugging and fine tuning. MEATER Link is operational and we will continue to polish the code to ensure data transmission and connection is robust and stable. Although MEATER Cloud is still under development, we are making significant progress in the code and will provide an update on its status very soon.
As we get closer to summer, the heat is on to finish MEATER and as always, we will continue to push forward and keep everyone up to date with our progress. Thank you again for your patience, love, and support!
Keep cool, stay in school!
Joseph, Teemu, and the Apption Labs Team
-
Thanks.
-
Karl, Thanks for the updates.
-
Update #27
5/27/16
Meat Joe Black
Memorial Weekend
This weekend, we celebrate and honor those who gave their lives for this country. Their passion, dedication, and service are truly admirable, and we thank them for their sacrifice.
Production Update
We hope everyone is doing swimmingly well in the month of May and wrapping things up to head into the next month! As we continue testing and keeping the pilot production train chugging, we are making gains track by track. If pilot production is up to par, pilot production will soon turn into mass production.
Recently in one of our labs (i.e. the backyard), we've been able to successfully test out one of our neat features - MEATER Link! 1 probe, 2 phones, and a yummy dinner. This way if one person is out on a grocery store run, reaching the next save point on Fallout 4, or taking the cat out for a walk, there's another person who can monitor the meat! #teameffort
One cooking reminder we have set up in the app helps users remove their meat from the heat at the appropriate time considering resting period. As you know, food will continue to cook due to high internal temperatures so the MEATER app takes that into account and estimates the perfect time for your desired doneness.
In other areas, we will soon be making decisions regarding packaging and a proper fulfillment house that will help us sort all the pledges to get MEATER in your kitchens and backyard patios. Every day brings new challenges, every challenge is met with opportunity, and every opportunity leads to accomplishment and a plate of juicy meat.
We're constantly reminded of how grateful we are to have you all as backers that have joined in on this journey of ours. As we collect more data, we'll keep you posted.
Until the next one, have courage, be kind, and don't forget the milk.
All the best,
Joseph, Teemu, and the Apption Labs team
-
30 | MEATbusters - What You Gonna Cook
Production Update
Hello meat fanatics! We're drawing nearer and nearer to completion. Teemu is at the factory, overseeing pilot production. He’s also testing and fine tuning the wireless range capability of MEATER every day, but we think it’s just an excuse to eat steak.
(https://ksr-ugc.imgix.net/assets/013/071/803/d8d880b987867a94ccc12c828d9d64d1_original.jpg?w=700&fit=max&v=1468611471&auto=format&q=92&s=ba89f5d35c1eddb1d0cc71f60266fe00)
Best case scenario! Actual wireless distance may vary depending on the type of grill or obstructions between MEATER and your smart device.
We received all the parts to build our pilot run and will begin assembly of MEATERs next week. After assembly, we will QA the finished product and if we are 100% satisfied with the results (and nothing short of it!) we'll have the confidence to move onward to mass production.
The first round of MEATERs (from pilot production) will be sent to beta testers (e.g. avid cooks and backers) who can provide feedback to help us validate and improve the user experience. We're aiming to have pilot samples ready to ship by early August!
In parallel, we'll begin testing the integration of our inventory software and fulfillment house to ensure shipments of MEATER will go off without a hitch. Actual safety and FCC testing will also begin and estimated to finish before we start shipping mass produced MEATERs.
We’ve already ordered all the long lead time parts and scheduled to begin mass production of MEATERs in August. We expect to have our first batch of 1000 units completed by mid-August for quality control inspection. Once they pass, we will ramp up production. It's hard to simply press a button on immediately producing 15000+ units! We know you'd rather us ensure the probes are created with perfection, devoid of any defects. MEATER Block will undergo the same motions with pilot production happening in mid-August. All things considered, we're hoping to have begun shipping out MEATERs mid-September and MEATER Blocks in October. Sending good vibes that there are zero to minimal hiccups in this process so we can all start smoking beef tri-tips with MEATER soon!
(https://ksr-ugc.imgix.net/assets/013/071/816/670c90f8a1295570047a500397ddfc06_original.jpg?w=700&fit=max&v=1468611505&auto=format&q=92&s=302a5df820c54a26f2fc8313b970a45a)
Several of our eager backers have also asked about the MEATER app being in their respective app store. We're eager too! We'll have the MEATER app for iOS and Android ready and released with product launch :) Also, MEATER Link is finished and operational. MEATER Cloud is ready for iOS and under development for Android (but we expect it to be ready by mid-August). As for the wearable-apps, MEATER notifications are already designed to push to your watches. We plan to have the native apps ready by launch but will prioritize software updates resulting from our beta testing phase.
In other areas, our packaging is locked down! We wanted to design packaging that not only fits our brand, but provides a safe vessel so your MEATERs are unscathed as they travel far and wide to land in your kitchens. We've carefully selected the right materials, precision, and handiwork to ensure MEATER fits snugly, just like when you're properly tucked in at night.
(https://ksr-ugc.imgix.net/assets/013/071/823/7a763ba6fcbae84e6bc09a57ffdd7d04_original.jpg?w=700&fit=max&v=1468611537&auto=format&q=92&s=44235400123bfde0acaed3456d881eb8)
Building a smart and completely wire-free meat thermometer is no easy task especially if there’s no blueprint to copy. Endless nights, hard work and our dedication to perfection has gotten us to where we are today. It was our pipedream to raise the amount of funds we’ve raised so far but we wouldn’t have ever gotten to this point if we weren’t so detail oriented and passionate about building the perfect product. We apologize that everyone has waited this long for MEATER but we assure that you will not be disappointed of the end result. We continue to be thankful and humble for your support and patience. Grill on friends!
Joseph, Teemu & the Apption Labs Team
-
Kari, Again thank you for the updates!
I am looking forward to the release of the Meater! After 1 year my Mav. 733 is getting a bit erratic. Port 1 is 37 degrees and port 2 is 39 via the ice test. All my other devices read 32 degrees to lo as expected. Before I invest in new probes for the Mav. I sure would like to give the "Meater" a shot!
-
Kari, excited to try this out! Good luck on the launch!
-
Received this update today.
32 | MEATER Party
Production Update
Hello everyone, we hope you all have been eating delicious foods, spending time with loved ones, and are doing well!
Over the course of 3 weeks, we’ve completed our initial pilot production and have been testing the units rigorously. We are very happy with the production quality and feature performance so far but we also unearthed a few problems. Most were found during the actual pilot production related to the assembly process, assembly and testing fixtures, automated testing program, factory process, etc. This is why we run pilot production: to find problems in the manufacturing process and fix them. It's a typical step to ensure mass production will yield consistent, high quality results.
For all supply chain quality issues, we have now visited the suppliers manufacturing mechanical parts for us. We spent days with them to go over the required improvements, checked their process and are moving full steam ahead. We are getting good results from the improvements and now producing the remaining parts for mass production units.
Rest assured, all the issues found during this initial build have been addressed. We have already begun the next pilot production run to confirm the solutions put in place. With that said, the additional production run will delay our mass production timeline. Our updated plan for MEATER is to start mass production mid-September, finish by early October and start shipping by mid-month.
(https://ksr-ugc.imgix.net/assets/013/516/216/3a74d2bfd52a050fb79b29eb0aed391e_original.jpg?w=639&fit=max&v=1472328935&auto=format&q=92&s=1d2fcbdb74f6a33f237f959e8fd38ba9)
While this was happening at the supplier, we have been doing lots of cooking and testing with the pilot production units. The products are functioning, generally performing well, and even at times, exceeding our expectations. However because of the improvements required for these units, we decided not to release this current batch to our beta testers until the next pilot run. On the software side, we’ve optimized performance of MEATER Link and MEATER Cloud which will both be available for beta testing. We expect to begin shipping beta units the week of September 5th.
(https://ksr-ugc.imgix.net/assets/013/516/044/8f43097a90671d50b262464ac23ad9df_original.jpg?w=639&fit=max&v=1472327248&auto=format&q=92&s=9f22417192651c50c3757486e0e594de)
Taking distance testing to the streets (Keye is under the red arrows). Also, searing on a cast iron pan without the hassle of wires.
Since our resources were focused on solving MEATER probe assembly issues, we can now turn our attention to the MEATER Block pilot production (which will commence shortly). Because of the slight shift in schedule, it is looking more like end of October/early November for MEATER Block deliveries.
Our #1 goal is to produce the best possible product we can all be proud of. Remember, you’re the one that has gotten us to where we are today and deserve nothing less than perfection. We apologize for the delay and we are determined with vigor that the delay is the only thing you’ll ever worry about. As a token of our appreciation of your patience, in order to cut down on the schedule, we’ve decided to air ship units from our factory to our fulfillment warehouses (as opposed to shipments by boat) to shave off significant transit time.
Thank you so much for understanding and sticking by our side, it really means a lot to us during this decisive production process.
Until then, keep the coals burning, and all the best,
Joseph, Teemu, and the Apption Labs team
-
You will definitely have to post you feedback once you finally get yours. I am very curious about these.
-
You will definitely have to post you feedback once you finally get yours. I am very curious about these.
There are several of us on the forum who backed the original kickstarter campaign. I have a feeling there will be a lot of butts and briskets smoking that first weekend. Sounds like those who ordered the single probe model with get theirs first. Then the Meater Blocks will come about a month later. I ordered the Meater Block. So I won't be the first to test these out.
-
You will definitely have to post you feedback once you finally get yours. I am very curious about these.
There are several of us on the forum who backed the original kickstarter campaign. I have a feeling there will be a lot of butts and briskets smoking that first weekend. Sounds like those who ordered the single probe model with get theirs first. Then the Meater Blocks will come about a month later. I ordered the Meater Block. So I won't be the first to test these out.
I was an original campaign sponsor for a Meater Block too. Sounds like our wait is until the end of October/Early November. I am anxiously awaiting its arrival. This will be really nice to keep track of Snack Stick temps which will let me know when I will need to rotate my trays as I will be able to temp sticks on a few trays at a time.
-
33 | Friday Night Meats
Apption Labs
Howdy everybody! After discovering production issues during our first pilot production run, as mentioned previously, we completed updating our assembly rigs and optimized the process. The second pilot production using our new solution has been underway and we look to finish the run next week. Teemu will be traveling to the factory on Monday to QA the 2nd pilot production results and personally oversee mass production. If the new units pass inspection, we can ramp up production and bump up batch quantities. With that said, we are still on track to begin shipping MEATERs mid-October.
In other news, we are still constructing assembly rigs for MEATER Block. Since our focus was on MEATER the past few weeks, we can start to turn our attention to MEATER Block. To show you an example of changes made during our redesign for manufacturing phase, here's an image of the old MEATER Block and the newer model. You'll notice that the previous MEATER Block was two separate bamboo pieces whereas the latest model is constructed with one solid piece. This was changed to streamline the construction, assembly of the electronics, parts and, ultimately, a smoother manufacturing procedure. The finish of the bamboo is lighter in color and more textured, giving MEATER Block a more natural feel, similar to MEATER's aesthetics. We are still estimating shipments of MEATER Blocks mid/late November.
(https://ksr-ugc.imgix.net/assets/013/766/958/7c1fb09d44fd4ab0f5c319e6fc0773da_original.jpg?w=639&fit=max&v=1474069206&auto=format&q=92&s=46ef389caad073ad79146d88e5a4135a)
Redesigning to make things better!
Regarding beta testing, the first small set of beta testing units have arrived and we'll be getting results from their rigorous testing the following week. We'll be releasing more beta units in small quantities, so sit tight if you are a beta tester. Thank you in advance to our testers who will help improve MEATER!
(https://ksr-ugc.imgix.net/assets/013/766/953/0bad3b2e920c57cb071edc0b5bd382b5_original.png?w=639&fit=max&v=1474069176&auto=format&lossless=true&s=ddb83f314a18071fe2fc54908e14024d)
Things are moving along, at about 81.4%, in the fulfillment department. We are working with our fulfillment company with the onboarding process that involves paperwork, testing the fulfillment software with our inventory software, deciding shipment sizes (i.e. carton/pallet specifics), and selecting specific warehouse locations to optimize shipping! The remaining work will be in selecting an optimal freight forwarding company that has the experience, customer service, and good communication with our supplier as well as our fulfillment house. And of course, the very last bit will be the most important part - fulfilling our crowdfunding pledges to you.
Getting product certifications has been ongoing and at about 63.7%. Our goal is to have FCC certification in early October and CE certification mid-October (by product launch, of course!).
Keep the meat juicy, and don't forget to check the injury list before you play that star Running Back.
Laces out,
Joseph, Teemu, and Team Apption Labs
-
I think to be realistic, as I've been saying all along, 2017 delivery. Here's the latest update. I think everyone is getting tired of the "tiny" timeline setbacks over and over. I wish they would just be more realistic, and not keep pushing back week by week. I think I mentioned in my last post, that their previous timeline didn't seem realistic at all to me, unless all of the beta testers had NO problems.
34 | The MEATnificent Seven
Greetings everyone! We’ve been diligently working to assure progression in delivering the best MEATER products from hardware to software. As stated in our previous update, Teemu is currently in Taiwan inspecting samples from our 2nd pilot production run. After careful examination, slight adjustments were needed. The issues do not pose major problems, but unfortunately will cause a delay in mass production.
We are currently working to have a handful of test units at the end of the week to send out to our UK and US engineering teams for testing. If these upcoming units pass our inspection, we'll be releasing more from this batch as beta units. Teemu has an extended stay in Taiwan so that he can personally oversee production and resolve any further issues. If all goes according to plan without any issues within the test batch, we are estimating the first shipment of MEATER for our backers as early as November and our goal to have the bulk of mass produced units shipping in December. Once we've begun mass producing MEATER probes, we will shift our focus to MEATER Block. With supply chain and probe production already established, it should be a very smooth transition to full production. As soon as we have shipping estimates for MEATER Block, we will send out an update at that time.
We've gotten initial feedback from our beta testing program! It’s very exciting as we're getting MEATER into the hands and grills of actual backers and not just the team that's behind the creative process. We're taking notes and modifying the app to make the MEATER experience more intuitive, user-friendly, and overall a more enjoyable cook. These adjustments so far include the minutest details in the software interface/layout, ease of instructions, streamlining the app usability, and various debugged items. Our iOS beta testers have been cooking with MEATER and the native Android app is just around the corner. We're looking to launch the iOS version of the MEATER app in stores in late October, and the Android version released a week after that.
We're still in the middle of searching for our perfect freight forwarder. The good news is we're in contact with several companies and are waiting to hear back with pricing quotes so we can evaluate further and compare services.
In other areas of company development, we're looking into integrated support systems that we can utilize once we have our official product launch. A good support/help system will integrate with our online shopping cart, social media messaging, have live chats, advanced messaging, app availability; all the better to serve our fanbase.
Thank you always for the strong support system,
Joseph, Teemu, and the Apption Labs squad
-
I wish them the best! If they finally do, actually, make delivery, and it is a durable (over time) as they say, I will be an owner! I just can't help but take a "wait and see" approach to this, though.
-
I wish them the best! If they finally do, actually, make delivery, and it is a durable (over time) as they say, I will be an owner! I just can't help but take a "wait and see" approach to this, though.
I'm not surprised with the timeline. I think they were overly optimistic from day 1. Part of the problem is that they were so over-funded ($2.5 million when they asked for $100,000), that I think they started to rethink and expand the product. The launch will make or break this, so I'm sure they want it perfect. In the meantime, I've happily got it covered with my Maverick. It's not like there's another comparable wire-free option out there that I could buy instead. And as much fun as an app, cloud and graphing will be, it's not an urgent need, so I can be patient.
-
ive got to keep an eye on this, I was just about to buy the thermoworks smoke, but this may be what I end up with if its everything we all hope it will be.
-
ive got to keep an eye on this, I was just about to buy the thermoworks smoke, but this may be what I end up with if its everything we all hope it will be.
It's a risk, but I proudly funded this with a Meater Block. Whether the internal probe components can stand the test of time (heat cool heat cool), I don't know, but I'll be darned if I'm not going to fund their effort to at least try! If the technology is impossible at this point, then I'm still proud to at least give it the financing that is required to explore it, for the sake of all bbq fanatics, as well as a very obvious benefit which is the rotissserie!
-
35 | Edward MEATERhands
Hello everyone! From the last update, a handful of new probes were sent to the UK and U.S. for further testing. The probes arrived safely and have been used in some real-life situations: cooking dinner!
(https://ksr-ugc.imgix.net/assets/014/301/029/c2987f6e64d5a5b92097e690e90a2971_original.JPG?w=639&fit=max&v=1477679811&auto=format&q=92&s=6d2c60dbd9c3640bce8e36865ec998b9)
Extensive testing with many meats!
Here's a video of MEATER making friends with a chicken.
https://ksr-video.imgix.net/assets/014/301/049/757498e5e7b7921373339a8f684faffe_h264_high.mp4 (https://ksr-video.imgix.net/assets/014/301/049/757498e5e7b7921373339a8f684faffe_h264_high.mp4)
For over a month, Teemu has been spending his time away from home, at the factory to commandeer production and is still there working tirelessly performing tests and optimizing the assembly process.
(https://ksr-ugc.imgix.net/assets/014/301/052/f24df25d1d95e635df6cd272c9dc8524_original.JPG?w=639&fit=max&v=1477679968&auto=format&q=92&s=60861aa936c7b5ab91ad2ac60ef58d8e)
Inspecting PCBs. MEATER's components are tiny!
Based on the positive results of the recent U.S./UK testing of the new MEATER probes, we are one step closer to the first large production batch of MEATER. Joseph will be traveling to the factory with the intention to sign off on production together with Teemu, which will be a major milestone for the campaign. We'll make sure to capture this magical process on camera and share them with you on the next update.
Regarding CE certification, MEATER is currently undergoing ESD (electrostatic discharge) testing and we expect to have this part of the test completed by the time Joseph arrives at the factory. Progress is being made!
Thanks all, we can't wait to share the status of production and the progress made in the coming weeks. If it's all looking good, we can start shipping MEATER to backers end of November with the goal of shipping the bulk of the MEATER units in December. As previously stated, we'll focus on the MEATER Block the moment MEATERs have begun mass production.
Have safe, scary, and sugary Halloweens!
Joseph, Teemu, and the Apption Labs team
-
I don't blame you one but I have no problem taking a risk, I'm a farmer we do it every day lol! it just looks amazing, and exciting!! id love to have it!!
-
ive got to keep an eye on this, I was just about to buy the thermoworks smoke, but this may be what I end up with if its everything we all hope it will be.
It's a risk, but I proudly funded this with a Meater Block. Whether the internal probe components can stand the test of time (heat cool heat cool), I don't know, but I'll be darned if I'm not going to fund their effort to at least try! If the technology is impossible at this point, then I'm still proud to at least give it the financing that is required to explore it, for the sake of all bbq fanatics, as well as a very obvious benefit which is the rotissserie!
I am with Kari 110% on this. I was an initial Meater Block funder and have zero regrets about doing it. I am getting pretty anxious to get my hands on one though. :)
Assuming that it works and works well and holds up, I am not aware of any other options that will have anything to compete with it.
-
Still waiting and still a doubter - and yes, I was an early backer.
-
They have been providing pretty regular updates and appears to be moving along.
Did you get a Meater Block? Or the single probe model?
The last I saw from them on 12/5/16, they were supposed to start shipping some single probe units to original backers in December.
Based on their schedule, I am guessing we'll be getting another update pretty soon and hopefully they will be telling us that they started shipping the single probe units and are working on the Meater Blocks.
-
39 | The Wolf of Wall MEAT
MEAT the Android App
We now have the MEATER app available for the Android (http://"https://emails.kickstarter.com/mpss/c/2AA/6TYCAA/t.240/gvT1m6B3QPKsj0ZqC8E_2g/h2/nlQbTENdQZslPMRJdVWnRnj-2FnNXGSj-2BXg1BkTbLhkx-2F-2Bigq8ecAM5hPiHjca2iCwFuCTZ4TeO2iqqFHBHkctcDP7lLKOYoJ-2Bdr4MvlztMjM-3D") platform! Get to know the app before we begin shipping. Check it out!
For the iOS app, check out this link (http://"https://emails.kickstarter.com/mpss/c/2AA/6TYCAA/t.240/gvT1m6B3QPKsj0ZqC8E_2g/h4/LO3b20GuNmy4LCnVtq84VuEJWSBnGf4UcfNMm8G2XEy3q-2FWAmFltBX9sFeCbDfn4-2Fxd-2BtSksXpx4itq6OtaAbui37-2F6EfKRmKCQ7fQ88X3Y-3D").
(https://inpexg.dm2302.livefilestore.com/y3mS7D7k-yQSWuyB5X5ffDVbrsDThGDYtfhOSpLL70faEfn0C5R29GngnWCoueCr4eZjKTh-7m1seWg1rKWfdhKpRH6mjVqScldfd0GtgnSBpPW2zggczxlvejVau8daaEjV76rwawPgSXreS1enLqoB-gAckWsBbo9UAUGxHxtzSw?width=650&height=366&cropmode=none)
Beta Test
Our 2nd round of beta testing has been underway! We've learned a lot more this round on how to improve the user experience and we're working hard to squash the bugs before you receive your units. Here are the latest pictures from some of our beta tester's cooks.
Testing, 1, 2, meat...
(https://i08gaq.dm2302.livefilestore.com/y3m40Z5_l4zjtk63d2x5VigVPxCDMJHe7aA61L2DM-rfsNwd12SBxCjNIlYYucn6-m3YHsqMi5-kKz0DkdJ3gC55PcdK06tUiOON8gWuKNq5f-ksWSwAI4jj8tDcKKN8snAep5PtCy2BgBBnuXAz6oBHIrNAOi8c8dBTkqbKYY8Nv8?width=700&height=525&cropmode=none)
Production Update
With encouraging feedback from our beta testers, we are confident in moving forward with a batch of MEATER units to be completed by the end of next week. This set will undergo a new and stricter QC process that includes the UK and U.S. offices for further testing to ensure the highest quality standard.
We are continually finding ways to improve and fine tune MEATER probe production and will gradually increase batch quantities. We have not yet reached mass production but aim to start fulfilling your pledges at the end of this month (starting with the units mentioned above). When MEATER is being fulfilled to our backers, we will have a better idea of a delivery estimate for MEATER Block.
Thank you so much for your strong support that allows us to confidently progress in our production of MEATER. We're putting in the hard work and innumerable hours in completing our campaign and are grateful for you sticking by us.
All the best,
Joseph, Teemu, and everyone at Apption Labs
-
App apparently isn't compatible with my device.... which is a Pixel XL. That's a bit disconcerting.
-
App apparently isn't compatible with my device.... which is a Pixel XL. That's a bit disconcerting.
This is the first release of the app. So, hopefully they'll continue updating the app and it won't be a problem when the Meater Blocks are shipped.
-
The iOS app was done first, so that one is probably working, but since there is no product to use it with, I have not bothered to download it yet. Maybe I will now just to check it out. This is the first round with the Android app, so I'm sure it's gonna need some tweaking.
-

41 | Beauty and the MEATs
By Apption Labs (Creator)
Howdy all! We have exciting news so read on through!
YESSSS!
It's happening!! We are wrapping up our beta testing program and have begun reaching out to our very first early backers who pledged for single probe MEATERs to confirm addresses! Although this batch is a small one, we’ll ramp up at every production run to ensure only quality products come out of the factory! We plan to ship this small batch no later than March 10th.
We sincerely apologize to MEATER Block-only backers, but we expect perfecting the Block to be a lot smoother than the probe since you don’t put the Block in the oven. We've begun transitioning resources to continue work on MEATER Block and as soon as we have new information regarding ship dates, you will be the first to know!
Why it's taking so long...
In our production phase we've run into unforeseeable obstacles that have led to delays. Building MEATER wasn’t easy but we’ve met the challenges head on and we’re that much closer to producing products in larger quantities. Below is only one example of many issues we’ve managed to resolve over the course of the year.
Our components are so tiny we had to use a third-party laboratory, with access to high-end super microscopes, to help us identify the root causes of our quality issues. It may seem trivial, but it was only made clear to us the differences between good units and the not-so-good units after the analysis.

(https://ksr-ugc.imgix.net/assets/015/631/696/ab0c72117c4fa9aaee9f519d20ac06c4_original.gif?w=639&fit=max&v=1487971094&auto=format&gif-q=50&q=92&s=696ebc12d1b6b59f1da028c01d63e262)
Top: Bad unit. Bottom: Good unit.
(https://ksr-ugc.imgix.net/assets/015/631/774/a85beda762903ea97cd1caac29224d8a_original.jpg?w=639&fit=max&v=1487971476&auto=format&q=92&s=9a01739f40d232f2893af783610f631e)
To put things into perspective, here’s a normal sized finger (not a banana) for scale:
The diodes are 0.6mm x 0.3mm in size!
Beta and the Beast
One great thing about beta testing is we get people testing MEATER in ways we have not done. For example, we'd gotten questions whether MEATER could be used for baking cakes, breads, and pastries. Fortunately, one of our beta testers is great at making cheesecake (and also great at assembling rigs to hold MEATER) and wanted to see if MEATER could endure baking.
(https://ksr-ugc.imgix.net/assets/015/622/711/7d844bbc1e741f2368e067d32cd703b7_original.jpg?w=639&fit=max&v=1487909598&auto=format&q=92&s=68565ab22e56133c268f37779ec78a2e)
DO NOT TRY THIS AT HOME. Through beta testing, we can confirm that MEATER should only be used for meats! (As it was designed for). Though the probe survived and is currently functioning, cheesecake is not the best thermal insulator. Lesson learned! Stick to the meats. Like this one here.
(https://ksr-ugc.imgix.net/assets/015/630/925/53ba3aa987b2ab779d2ced3392b94cd9_original.JPG?w=639&fit=max&v=1487966942&auto=format&q=92&s=ad13132b6a4ee6f22169b56e0cbcec0f)
Cracklin' chicken over a medley of beans. Or this one.
(https://ksr-ugc.imgix.net/assets/015/631/016/b1dfeccbbce4eeaab54f0a26cd7ca214_original.jpg?w=639&fit=max&v=1487967360&auto=format&q=92&s=2bc77a34165a32f452bf60eca90b8537)
Get that pork belly in my belly!
(https://ksr-ugc.imgix.net/assets/015/631/174/02b32107c1b0ae93ff9feaf47e247ffd_original.jpg?w=639&fit=max&v=1487968153&auto=format&q=92&s=8e38cdacb68113d47d25af9eb996ddae)
MEATER has been tested in rotisserie pits as well! Solid box of steel.
If you need the extra range, you can always use MEATER Link - which extends your range over the WiFi network. Read Update 40 to watch the MEATER Link instructional video.
Thank you again and we can’t wait to get these MEATERs into your hands.
We're warming up,
Joseph, Teemu, and the Apption Labs Team
Let's Meat Up
-
Thanks for the update Kari.
-
By the time we get these it should only be 1.5 years beyond the initial target. :-) Good thing I'm patient in regards to this.
-
By the time we get these it should only be 1.5 years beyond the initial target. :-) Good thing I'm patient in regards to this.
I hear ya Tony. I am just hoping that the good old Maverick et-733 holds out until this thing ships. I am still remaining cautiously optimistic.
I will say, that this was my first Kickstarter purchase, and this experience is going to make me very wary about doing another one unless it is something like this one that I REALLY want.
-
By the time we get these it should only be 1.5 years beyond the initial target. :-) Good thing I'm patient in regards to this.
I hear ya Tony. I am just hoping that the good old Maverick et-733 holds out until this thing ships. I am still remaining cautiously optimistic.
I will say, that this was my first Kickstarter purchase, and this experience is going to make me very wary about doing another one unless it is something like this one that I REALLY want.
If someone else came out on the market with this exact concept, then I'd be pretty upset that I couldn't just buy the other one. But there isn't anything else out there like this, so I can wait. It does cause me some concern though as to whether it's going to work, or last. Sounds like they got a little ahead of themselves in proving the technology when they launched the campaign. Maybe the technology isn't quite there yet and they are sweating bullets right now. I'm not going to go broke if this thing doesn't work out, but without the support of all of us with blind faith, the project never would have gotten off the ground. I'm sure this cost a bundle of money to develop. Far more than the $100,000 they originally asked for. Good thing they got $2.5 million. I'll continue to support Kickstarter projects if it's something this unique, and something I really want. You kind of have to assume some projects might never materialize, so I will keep within a budget I can afford to lose.
-
If the choice is between getting product right away versus a delay even for 1.5+ years to get a higher quality product, I would rather wait and get the better quality product. This isn't going to break me either, but it is a fair chunk of money that could have been used toward an already released product.
But, "The Meater" is unique enough with no real competitors that I am still very comfortable with my decision to sponsor this campaign and do not have any reservations about recommending this to others as long as the recommendation is given with the warning that this is still a bit of a gamble as we won't know the quality level and how well it works until we get our hands on the devices.
Based on the last update, it does appear that they are trying to address some of the frustrations that are being expressed by the backers via replies to their recent updates.
-
I will say, that this was my first Kickstarter purchase, and this experience is going to make me very wary about doing another one unless it is something like this one that I REALLY want.
Ditto.
-
I funded through Indiegogo for the Umami package (block + single). I have lost almost $300 to another campaign and hope the Meater works out. This is the last update I received:
We're happy to report some of our earliest backers have received their MEATERs! Although the first shipment was small, our next shipment will be larger. Our production process is slow but all of the extra testing is to ensure every single MEATER that comes out of the factory "meats" our high standard of quality. As we improve the process, we will ramp up to larger quantities and complete fulfillment of all MEATER orders in the coming months. We plan to ship the next batch of MEATERs by March 31st. With that said, if you haven't already, please double check that your shipping address is correct, we'd be deeply saddened if your MEATER ended up in the wrong hands!
We've also been working on MEATER Block and making advancements on both the software and hardware front. It's still early to give an accurate shipping date, but as soon as we're rolling along and confident in the results of our progress, you will be the first to know.
-
After the update, I emailed them and got the following response:
ME:
Sent: Tuesday, March 21, 2017 4:22 AM
To: Joseph Cruz
Subject: New Message from Dane on Indiegogo: Re: Updates from ‘MEATER: The Only Wire-Free Smart Meat Thermometer’
I'd really be more interested in dates rather than more promises. This has gone on too long to keep delaying the product. Maybe it is time you just said " Gee, we are piss poor planners and ask your forgiveness for not doing our job up front"! That would go a lot further with your clients than" "we have to keep fine tuning all the software and hardware to "meat" our high standard of quality""! Hell, send me a probe as a Beta tester. I've been waiting since Christmas to smoke some pork shoulders!
RESPONSE:
Hello Dane,
Thank you for checking in with us. We are creating small production batches and extensively testing the units for quality control purposes. Based on the results, we may incrementally increase the batch quantity to gradually reach mass production. Our current goal is to be shipping the bulk of MEATERs (single probe with charger) to our crowdfunders this month and into April and May. If there are changes made in the production process, it may be necessary to adjust the delivery timeline. When MEATER is being mass produced, we will redirect our focus to MEATER Block and can estimate a timeline for delivery then. Thank you so much for your continued support and patience throughout this journey.
Best,
Sam
-
Any update on these? Anybody get one yet? Reviews?
-
I funded a Meater Block, so I doubt I will see that this year. If there are problems with the single Meaters now being shipped, it will be longer than that, maybe never.
-
The idea of the meater sounds great but I have a feeling there are just to many technical issues to over come for this to every work reliably and as advertised.
-
Well, like many of you, I also kicked in to help the Meater folks. Received my single unit about a week ago and tried it yesterday on a turkey breast. Nice unit. I was able to monitor the smoking turkey by using meater link, the BT with our SS Smokin-it 3D unit would not transmit the BT signal more than a few feet, 5 feet to be exact, so I did go through the meater link via our wifi and that worked good. I had to put my iPhone on top of the 3D to make it connect consistently though. Cook time was about 5 hours and I kept the door shut the whole time. When the Meater said the cook was finished at 165 degrees and to take it out and let it rest, I took my trusty digital probe thermometer to measure where the probe was inserted,the thickest part of the breast. No dice, temp showed 151 where the Meater probe was located on my digital thermometer. I kept the bird in 20 more minutes and then pulled it and wrapped in double foil, we will heat it up in our oven before eating it. I did send a message to the meater folks to let them know. Even my Smokin-it 3D temp probe works so much better than the Meater. Just my two cents worth, nice cook graph and ambient temp was close compared to my set temp of 225 then up to 250 after 3 hours but the actual probe meat temp was off by over 10 degrees ;-(. Carl
-
I broke down and bought a single unit too so that I could test while waiting for my Meater Block.
Unfortunately I have not had a chance to test it yet. Maybe this weekend.
My plan is to smoke a pork butt while monitoring with both my trusty et-733 and The Meater to see how close they are. I'll also test when done with my instant read Javelin Pro.
Hopefully I have better results.
-
I tried the single unit meater the other day and had the same results stopped at 5ft, cooked a pair of chucks one with 732 maverick and they were within a couple of % . I also bought a transmitter &
receiver to see if it could help. I tethered it to my I phone ( it`s used for speakers ) it got me inside the house but would go on & off. I know a lot of the guys on this site are pretty savvy with electronics, I remember years ago we had poor TV recp. and I bought a antenna with an amp. to plug in ( Or was it just a rotor
I can`t remember it`s 45yrs ago ) but it improved dramatically I hope somebody can figure a work around. I did email meater I thought they may have a suggestion. They did not
HTH Paul
-
I tried the single unit meater the other day and had the same results stopped at 5ft, cooked a pair of chucks one with 732 maverick and they were within a couple of % . I also bought a transmitter &
receiver to see if it could help. I tethered it to my I phone ( it`s used for speakers ) it got me inside the house but would go on & off. I know a lot of the guys on this site are pretty savvy with electronics, I remember years ago we had poor TV recp. and I bought a antenna with an amp. to plug in ( Or was it just a rotor
I can`t remember it`s 45yrs ago ) but it improved dramatically I hope somebody can figure a work around. I did email meater I thought they may have a suggestion. They did not
HTH Paul
My experience is even worse. I lose connection with my phone sitting on top the smoker after I shut the smoker door. I am starting to fear that while this thermometer may work great on el-cheapo thin single wall Masterbuilt type smokers, the insulated smokers like Smokin-It may cause a problem. I am going to write to Meater and see if they have any suggestions.
Anyone else found any solutions?
-
My experience is even worse. I lose connection with my phone sitting on top the smoker after I shut the smoker door. I am starting to fear that while this thermometer may work great on el-cheapo thin single wall Masterbuilt type smokers, the insulated smokers like Smokin-It may cause a problem. I am going to write to Meater and see if they have any suggestions.
Anyone else found any solutions?
Since I smoke a lot in the winter, that would be a problem. You can't leave your phone sitting outside on top of the smoker. I'm wondering if the Meater Block will help? I assume that the probe would still connect to the block through bluetooth, then the block connects to your wifi network? So it seems that might present the same problem? Maybe the block would also need to sit right on top of the smoker too? Would the block be safe out in below freezing temps? Is it safe to assume that the block will have no better luck keeping contact with the probe than a phone does? Questions for you tech nerds out there. I'm waiting for the Meater Block that I funded, which might never actually get here, but I have to say, I'm not really that anxious to get it anymore. Either they will just give up, or fix the problems before the block comes out.
-
Just an FYI in case this helps, but I found the following attached information in "The Meater" FAQ:
-
My experience is even worse. I lose connection with my phone sitting on top the smoker after I shut the smoker door. I am starting to fear that while this thermometer may work great on el-cheapo thin single wall Masterbuilt type smokers, the insulated smokers like Smokin-It may cause a problem. I am going to write to Meater and see if they have any suggestions.
Anyone else found any solutions?
Since I smoke a lot in the winter, that would be a problem. You can't leave your phone sitting outside on top of the smoker. I'm wondering if the Meater Block will help? I assume that the probe would still connect to the block through bluetooth, then the block connects to your wifi network? So it seems that might present the same problem? Maybe the block would also need to sit right on top of the smoker too? Would the block be safe out in below freezing temps? Is it safe to assume that the block will have no better luck keeping contact with the probe than a phone does? Questions for you tech nerds out there. I'm waiting for the Meater Block that I funded, which might never actually get here, but I have to say, I'm not really that anxious to get it anymore. Either they will just give up, or fix the problems before the block comes out.
Kari, I just sent Apption Labs a question via their Support Portal asking basically all of your questions. I will update this thread with their response.
-
I emailed katielyn # meatermaid she said the same thing about the probe placement. In their video
they put the probe in an oven with a window, also on the grill they leave an iPad at the grill $$$$$
for me right now I`ll just leave the old 732 maverick out on top, and just for the heck of it I tried
using the 732 to help with the signal of the probe and no luck. You think they would have some way
to boost the signal. Do i have a fancy indoor unit ?
Paul
-
I had all these same issues and concerns when I reviewed my Meater back in July: http://smokinitforums.com/index.php?topic=6404.msg58758#msg58758
I have decided that it's way more trouble than it's worth. I'm not leaving my iPad outside, even in an Alabama winter (we actually had snow last week!).
I hope the developers enjoyed our money!
Jim
-
Maybe it will only be useful for indoor/household oven use. Has anyone found the probe to be accurate?
-
Poor accuracy and poor signal strength, I’ll probably use it with my bbq grill, whenever I cook burgers or something.
Hey, this is a GREAT opportunity to have the Smokin-it units installed with BT technology 👍. Even my little Davy Crockett Green Mountain Grill has it and it works great!
-
I hadn't followed this while I was away. I'm sorry to hear the Meater just hasn't worked out. I developed my opinion that it would be a hard road for them while dealing with Ted at Fireboard. He's a smart cat, and really gave me an education on hardware and challenges faced in wireless temp monitoring. The mil-grade technology is out there, but none of us would want to afford it just for BBQ! Maybe, some day, this technology will be the norm, not the exception.
-
Hey Tony
First off glad your back. Thanks for your post on the meater probe I was hoping to somehow boost the signal. when I emailed them with my problem I also said to them when I grill a steak I use an instant read
thermo. and today most home ovens have meat probes with a lot of options Also my signal dropped while
using it from the kitchen oven two rooms away. I think it was you that had a wait and see opinion I did the same
Thanks Paul
-
Paul, they had a very lofty goal, and I believe their vision will someday be reality, even for us "normal" folks. Unfortunately, putting that much capability in such a small, heat-proof package is something only defense contractors (with really big budgets) have the capacity to accomplish. Someday, though... :-\
-
YEAH!!! I received my Meater Block over the weekend!
I haven't tried it yet, but am excited to give it a shot.
It looks really good and the signal seems to be much stronger than my stand-alone Meater.
The proof will be in the pudding when I do my first smoke in the Smokin-It smoker to see if I can maintain connectivity. According to the Tech Support Folks, they are telling me that I should be fine.
I am hoping that I can prove all of the naysayers wrong on this. :)
I am not sure when I will give this its first test, but will update when I have more information.
-
YEAH!!! I received my Meater Block over the weekend!
I haven't tried it yet, but am excited to give it a shot.
It looks really good and the signal seems to be much stronger than my stand-alone Meater.
The proof will be in the pudding when I do my first smoke in the Smokin-It smoker to see if I can maintain connectivity. According to the Tech Support Folks, they are telling me that I should be fine.
I am hoping that I can prove all of the naysayers wrong on this. :)
I am not sure when I will give this its first test, but will update when I have more information.
I received my Meater Block too over the weekend. Not sure when I'll have time to thoroughly test it out, but I'll be watching for Gregg's results if he is first.
-
Greg/Kari,
How did the meater block test out for you guys?
-
Greg/Kari,
How did the meater block test out for you guys?
I waited 3 years for this thing... and haven't had a chance to test it out. ;D Ideally I wanted to smoke a pork butt and stick it like a porcupine. That would test all of the probes in the same smoke, plus it would be a long smoke, so I'd see how well it maintained a connection, and if the probes had enough battery power to get through. I might be doing a butt this weekend, so I'll let you know.
-
Greg/Kari,
How did the meater block test out for you guys?
It has been so dang cold here and snow every other day, so I have not done any smoking.
I just cleared the 4 foot drift off of my deck a couple of days ago and I now have a 2 footer out there again with more snow expected on Wednesday and Thursday.
The joke around he is that they have moved the ice house removal date to July 1st. :P
Hopefully sometime in March I should be able to smoke a butt again. I am really anxious to test it out too.
Looking forward to Kari's results as well.
-
Y'all could send them to us down here in TX so we can tell you how they work! We can have them back by the time your snow melts... :)
-
Y'all could send them to us down here in TX so we can tell you how they work! We can have them back by the time your snow melts... :)
LOL :) :o :-\ :P
-
Just got my Block today, and am charging the probes. Hopefully sometime this week I will get to smoke something. Weather here has been horrible, too, but things seem to be warming and snow is finally melting. Will post results.
-
It was 81F in Houston last weekend! ;D
-
8.5 pound butt. DM's Butt Brine. Mustard and two Rubs. I used all four Meater probes, plus Fireboard internal and ambient probes.
Monitor the live cook at the links below. Note that I am going to be playing around with these today, and they might not always be available. It appears that I have to have my phone ON, and the app OPEN in order for the Meater web links to connect... so figuring that out. (Edit: The web links do appear to work with the app closed and the phone turned off.)
Fireboard (https://share.fireboard.io/2439E1)
Meater Probe 1 (https://cooks.cloud.meater.com/cook/8ad2333b-b5bb-4bf0-8ecb-996403a3fdfa)
Meater Probe 2 (https://cooks.cloud.meater.com/cook/28049985-a389-4e9f-8935-9f47295c0aad)
Meater Probe 3 (https://cooks.cloud.meater.com/cook/10fa2c3c-1286-4f78-b25f-ead5f6a1a2c3)
Meater Probe 4 (https://cooks.cloud.meater.com/cook/16bdeabd-f5c6-4ad3-9dd5-0c9e5ac81d0b)
-
It is interesting to see the wide range of temps on the Meater probes.
I think this might indicate that probe placement can have a huge impact on the overall temp of the roast.
There are definitely different densities and fat contents of the various probe points in a Boston Butt. This being said, I think it would be a great post to start on where is the best place in the Boston Butt to get the most accurate and even temperature that we should be going by when we use only one internal probe.
-
FYI, in regards to my last post saying that it would be nice to have a separate thread on probe positioning, I have created the following thread in the Basics for a Beginner (https://www.smokinitforums.com/index.php?board=50.0) section to start things off and get some feedback:
Best Boston Butt Probe Placement? (https://www.smokinitforums.com/index.php?topic=7486.0)
-
It is interesting to see the wide range of temps on the Meater probes.
I think this might indicate that probe placement can have a huge impact on the overall temp of the roast.
There are definitely different densities and fat contents of the various probe points in a Boston Butt. This being said, I think it would be a great post to start on where is the best place in the Boston Butt to get the most accurate and even temperature that we should be going by when we use only one internal probe.
Probe placement is one reason I always use 2 probes, no matter what I'm cooking. The other reason is probe failure and/or inaccuracy.
I tried to keep the ambient probes all around the outside edges of the butt, so in theory that none of them would be shielded from the bottom heat, but you can see that they also vary in temp by a fair amount. My guess (if it's not from just plain probe inaccuracy) is that the temperature variation comes from a front to back issue, and possibly airflow patterns within the chamber.
For the internal probes... I will have to do a test on the 4 probes after this is complete. Keep in mind that you can not do a boiling water test with these probes. The tip of the probe can not go above 212, or you will damage the electronic components in the probe. I'll do a very warm water test, and submerge all 4 probes in at the same time. I'm assuming they are probably fairly accurate, and the temp differences are in placement factors like fat vs lean. The blade bone also makes it tricky. A little hard to avoid since it likes to run pretty close to the middle.
As far as probe placement goes... mine are as follows. When facing the door of the smoker:
Probe 1: front right
Probe 2: back right
Probe 3: front left
Probe 4: back left
-
Also... if you are watching my cooks, I have set 3 different target temperatures. 203 is Meater's built-in Pork Shoulder "Smoke" setting. By choosing this, I should get all of the notifications associated with it such as when to take it out (for carry-over cooking), resting time, etc.
The other two temps, 190 and 195, are where I manually changed the temp setting, thereby essentially creating a "custom" cook. I wanted to see what kind of notifications I would get when not using their built in settings.
-
Also... if you are watching my cooks, I have set 3 different target temperatures. 203 is Meater's built-in Pork Shoulder "Smoke" setting. By choosing this, I should get all of the notifications associated with it such as when to take it out (for carry-over cooking), resting time, etc.
The other two temps, 190 and 195, are where I manually changed the temp setting, thereby essentially creating a "custom" cook. I wanted to see what kind of notifications I would get when not using their built in settings.
Hi Kari,
So, do you have a final verdict / summary for your test?
With the weather finally starting to get nicer in ND, I will probably do a test in the next week or two as well. :)
-
Yes, I do! I had typed up a bunch of random notes and observations as the cook progressed, so I needed to organize them a bit. I'm sure I'll learn more as I use these probes for other cooks, like chicken, etc. This will be a start. I look forward to additional observations by the rest of the Meater owners.
My overall opinion is one of love/hate. The bad: connectivity issues. Although the connection is never totally lost, there are multiple disconnects and re-connects, with lots of annoying phone notifications. The good: the probes seem fairly accurate, and when everything is working, I like it a lot. The app also works well. I would probably never trust just one probe with this, but then again, I never cook with just one probe. Always at least 2. So I would not recommend buying the single probe version. Overall I would probably not recommend (sadly) buying the Block version at this time either. I think the technology is great, but I’d maybe wait a year and see if the connectivity improves, or some other company in China comes out with one that works better/cheaper. I am very impressed with the quality of everything, from the block itself, the probes, the packaging, etc.
I'm will continue to happily use Meater, and hope I can iron out the connectivity/alert issues (alert issues could be resolved with an app update). Also, it will be interesting to see what the life of the probes are. I'm not very optimistic that they will last long due to the very sensitive electronics exposed to heat for prolonged periods.
The Fireboard performed flawlessly during this test, quietly, in the background. I almost forgot it was there. Just what you want. No annoying alerts, and uses WiFi. I’d recommend buying Fireboard for now, and dealing with the wires. But I think it’s a matter of time before the 100% wireless technology will be standard.
Here are various notes I took during my cook:
Bluetooth connection is not very good. I had to place the Block within a few feet of smoker. Probes disconnect when I take the block just inside the house and close the back patio door (distance of 8 ft). Probes constantly disconnect and reconnect even when block is directly on top of the smoker. Every few minutes I seem to be getting some sort of connection error, but it reconnects without any action from me. (Not sure if there is a way to turn this type of notification off, while keeping the others on.) 7-8 hours into the cook, I was having almost no connection issues for some reason. I’m not sure why. It coincided with when it became dark outside. It was on a weekday. Maybe less interference in the evening as opposed to during the day for some reason? Not sure why the bluetooth connections would have improved…
It’s possible that our SI (and similar) smokers, being the solid stainless steel tanks that they are, are responsible for the poor bluetooth range between the probes and the block. At some point I am going to try this in my home oven and see if the range is better. It also might work better in a grill, etc.
Also, there might be (I think…but I’m not sure yet) a second connectivity problem between the block and my home wifi that continually un-pairs the block, then appears to re-pair on it’s own, usually within seconds. Lot’s of annoying notifications for this too. And every time that happens, the shared web links stop working. Same thing, no action required from me. And these connection errors also basically ceased 7-8 hours in.
“Time remaining” is pretty useless for anything that has a stall (like brisket or butt). I’m assuming its a simple algorithm based on a sampling of the first hour of temperature rise, that doesn’t take the stall into account, which as everyone knows, can vary by several hours from one cook to the next, so I don’t see how they could even make “time remaining” accurate. “Time remaining” started showing up about an hour into the cook. It was wildly inaccurate at the beginning of the cook. Way too short based on the relatively quick temperature rise. Then I noticed that once the temperature rise slowed down, and it got into the stall about 8.5 hours into the cook, the “time remaining” went from 4 hours to over 10 hours, which is again wildly inaccurate in the other direction (too long). I doubt if it would ever be very accurate with butt or brisket or anything with a stall, but it might possibly work okay for something like chicken or turkey.
The web browser links do appear to still work if the app is closed and the phone is turned off. In the help notes, they recommend that you leave your phone turned on and plugged in during the entire cook. That’s nuts.
Web browser link temperatures come up in Celsius by default, even though I have my app set to Fahrenheit. (Can change these in the settings menu in the upper right of the browser window.)
I find the built-in rest time too short (I think it was something like 45 minutes), but I suppose that could be a minimum. Rest times are probably more realistic for steaks, etc.
There is a default alarm set for “5 minutes before done” which seems pretty accurate, but I don’t find this very useful for butts or brisket. I’d rather know 30 minutes or so in advance. Might be helpful for short cooks. You can set a variety of custom alerts and alarms if you would like.
The alarm went off when food reached target temp. There was no early alarm for “carry-over” cooking. Just the 5 minutes before done alarm. This is probably part of the Pork Shoulder program or “smoke” programs since there probably isn’t much carry-over when at 225. I’m thinking for a Steak on the grill, the program would probably include an alarm for when to remove for carry-over, but I’m not sure.
Once the target temperature is reached, the “Adjust Cook” option disappears, so you are not able to change the target temperature and reset the alarms (if for example you decided to set the target temp 5 degrees higher for some reason after the fact). Since you can set multiple alarms, there should be no need to make changes after the target temp is reached. If you do want to make changes at that point, you need to start a new cook.
If you do not pull the butt from the smoker, the app will automatically go into resting mode. Then it goes back to “Remove from heat”. It will then alternate between “Resting” and “Remove from heat” for what seems like indefinitely. I can’t remember if I got an alarm every time it switched back to “Remove from heat”.
Wish you could:
Set custom notifications with a lasting repeating alarm, rather than a single short sound. That will never wake me up at night.
8.5 hours in, internal temps (location of probe when facing door of smoker):
Probe 1 (front right) 180
Probe 2 (back right) 177
Probe 3 (front left) 189 (Upon inspection after the cook, this probe was clearly in a large fat pocket.)
Probe 4 (back left) 177
The attached graph shows all 4 Meater probes, plus the Fireboard Food and Ambient probes (the gold colors) superimposed. Meater colors are: Blue lines = target temp. Green lines = ambient. Pink lines = food. A few things to note: 1) one of the Meater target temps was set to 195, the other 3 were set to 190. 2) The meat temp probe that is much higher than the rest at the end of the cook is Probe 3, which was in a large fat pocket. 3) The Fireboard ambient probe registered much higher at the beginning of the cook. I believe the Fireboard ambient probe was most accurate. I would expect my analog SI to have huge temperature swings and overshoots at the beginning like the Fireboard shows. See explanation that follows (which I found in the Meater documentation somewhere).
Fireboard vs Meater Ambient Probe, especially in beginning of cook. A large mass of cold meat (such as butt or brisket) creates a “cool bubble” around the meat, which explains why the Meater ambient temps are cooler than the Fireboard. The Fireboard probe was clipped to the rack. I had the Meater probes stuck in a bit beyond the line on the probe (probably a bit too far), to make sure to protect them. If the ambient end is within 2 inches of the meat, it will be in this cool bubble. It also appears that as the meat heats up, the opposite is true, and that the meat creates a "heat bubble". (See at about 4.5 hours into the cook, when the meat is getting close to 160.) Soooo Goldilocks… you want those probes stuck in their juuusst right! ;D (Right at the line.) Although I rarely need to monitor my ambient temp, in which case I'd make sure they were plenty deep.
-
"It’s possible that our SI (and similar) smokers, being the solid stainless steel tanks that they are, are responsible for the poor bluetooth range between the probes and the block. At some point I am going to try this in my home oven and see if the range is better. It also might work better in a grill, etc."
You may be right! Overall, a terrific review.